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		<title>By: John Beardsley</title>
		<link>http://forprogressnotgrowth.com/2009/11/21/hey-einstein-solve-this/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>John Beardsley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 05:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope none of mind me responding late just hapened to be  reading the posts and  the comments and got a little excited, some of the comments are truly great, some touched nerves others touched on things I often think about.

I think in the worlld as a whole,  there is an assumption about rationality, which I think is misplaced.

Human beings  what ever their  inteligence and educational status have emotions, ethics and morality,, we are not like &quot;Spok ?&quot;  off Star Trek or Robots. We also have different perspectives because of our different life experiences.

Hopefully . all of us us  respond to inputs and stimuli differently, pehaps like the bell corve or some other dstribution. (now theres a topic for research)

To me the world would be a very frightening place if every body behaved rationally with out  emotion, ethics or morality and responded in the same way.

Yes the way we humans are makes things a lot more complicated. 

We in all walks of life  need to continously  adapt, and elvolve  our  ideas and thoughts.

As some one who works in manufacturing and design. my frustration here is that we seem to stuck with a series of Scientifc Management ideas from early in the last Century and that these have dominated and perhaps hindered the way we think ever since. I am not agianst scientific Management, just think there is a lot more to it.

My education from the late 1970&#039;s at Engineering School  in Nottingham, UK was that there was a number of  other &quot;Schools of Management Philosophy&quot; that contained some really interesting and effective insights which we have ignored at our peril.  

I really appreciate you guys trying to raise the level of debate. It is truly great reading and inspiring

Kind Regards

John Beardsley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope none of mind me responding late just hapened to be  reading the posts and  the comments and got a little excited, some of the comments are truly great, some touched nerves others touched on things I often think about.</p>
<p>I think in the worlld as a whole,  there is an assumption about rationality, which I think is misplaced.</p>
<p>Human beings  what ever their  inteligence and educational status have emotions, ethics and morality,, we are not like &#8220;Spok ?&#8221;  off Star Trek or Robots. We also have different perspectives because of our different life experiences.</p>
<p>Hopefully . all of us us  respond to inputs and stimuli differently, pehaps like the bell corve or some other dstribution. (now theres a topic for research)</p>
<p>To me the world would be a very frightening place if every body behaved rationally with out  emotion, ethics or morality and responded in the same way.</p>
<p>Yes the way we humans are makes things a lot more complicated. </p>
<p>We in all walks of life  need to continously  adapt, and elvolve  our  ideas and thoughts.</p>
<p>As some one who works in manufacturing and design. my frustration here is that we seem to stuck with a series of Scientifc Management ideas from early in the last Century and that these have dominated and perhaps hindered the way we think ever since. I am not agianst scientific Management, just think there is a lot more to it.</p>
<p>My education from the late 1970&#8217;s at Engineering School  in Nottingham, UK was that there was a number of  other &#8220;Schools of Management Philosophy&#8221; that contained some really interesting and effective insights which we have ignored at our peril.  </p>
<p>I really appreciate you guys trying to raise the level of debate. It is truly great reading and inspiring</p>
<p>Kind Regards</p>
<p>John Beardsley</p>
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		<title>By: progressus</title>
		<link>http://forprogressnotgrowth.com/2009/11/21/hey-einstein-solve-this/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>progressus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps my words were confusing, but I did not say that the problems weren&#039;t definable, only that such complex problems present themselves in an undefined/unstructured way.  It requires the use of systems thinking, level III learning and the application of soft systems methods to develop the requisite understanding to define the problem and devise a solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps my words were confusing, but I did not say that the problems weren&#8217;t definable, only that such complex problems present themselves in an undefined/unstructured way.  It requires the use of systems thinking, level III learning and the application of soft systems methods to develop the requisite understanding to define the problem and devise a solution.</p>
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		<title>By: progressus</title>
		<link>http://forprogressnotgrowth.com/2009/11/21/hey-einstein-solve-this/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>progressus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest reading &quot;The Great Crash 1929&quot; for understanding the cause and role of government.  Yes these were repeated in 2008, but the cause was not then nor now the government.  However the government agency responsible for oversight did not act in response to the cause.  

All the evidence (see Alfie Kohn&#039;s  &amp; Deming&#039;s work) is to the contrary that competition is the cause of improvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest reading &#8220;The Great Crash 1929&#8243; for understanding the cause and role of government.  Yes these were repeated in 2008, but the cause was not then nor now the government.  However the government agency responsible for oversight did not act in response to the cause.  </p>
<p>All the evidence (see Alfie Kohn&#8217;s  &amp; Deming&#8217;s work) is to the contrary that competition is the cause of improvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard D. Cushing</title>
		<link>http://forprogressnotgrowth.com/2009/11/21/hey-einstein-solve-this/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard D. Cushing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 22:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your thought-provoking post says, &quot;Our recurring problems are not structured and well-defined problems.  If they were we’d quickly solve them and they wouldn’t recur!&quot;

I believe this to be a misstatement of the actual case.  I believe that all of our problems really are &quot;structured and well-defined&quot; in themselves.  Apart from those who, by mental defect, truly function irrationally, we are quite capable of understanding the structure of any problem we face.  We have to tools to perform this analysis and we have the understanding required.  Most of the rationale was actually laid out rather succinctly, yet thoroughly, in Ludwig von Mises&#039; HUMAN ACTION.  Essentially, we KNOW the rationale by which people act, even if we cannot decipher specific actions as being rational TO US.  An action that is NOT rational to us is, to the one acting, rational, even though we are unable to understand the actor&#039;s rationale and the actor may be unwilling or unable to articulate it.

What keeps us from solving the problems is that we -- especially politicians -- are unwilling to go back to the INHERENT SIMPLICITY of the problem to be found at the &quot;root&quot; of the Current Reality.  Politicians thrive on the obfuscation available to them in COMPLEXITY, and the combination of obfuscation and complexity allows them to remain in POWER.

See http://rdcushing.blogspot.com or email me at rcushing(at)ceoexpress(dot)com for more.

...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your thought-provoking post says, &#8220;Our recurring problems are not structured and well-defined problems.  If they were we’d quickly solve them and they wouldn’t recur!&#8221;</p>
<p>I believe this to be a misstatement of the actual case.  I believe that all of our problems really are &#8220;structured and well-defined&#8221; in themselves.  Apart from those who, by mental defect, truly function irrationally, we are quite capable of understanding the structure of any problem we face.  We have to tools to perform this analysis and we have the understanding required.  Most of the rationale was actually laid out rather succinctly, yet thoroughly, in Ludwig von Mises&#8217; HUMAN ACTION.  Essentially, we KNOW the rationale by which people act, even if we cannot decipher specific actions as being rational TO US.  An action that is NOT rational to us is, to the one acting, rational, even though we are unable to understand the actor&#8217;s rationale and the actor may be unwilling or unable to articulate it.</p>
<p>What keeps us from solving the problems is that we &#8212; especially politicians &#8212; are unwilling to go back to the INHERENT SIMPLICITY of the problem to be found at the &#8220;root&#8221; of the Current Reality.  Politicians thrive on the obfuscation available to them in COMPLEXITY, and the combination of obfuscation and complexity allows them to remain in POWER.</p>
<p>See <a href="http://rdcushing.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://rdcushing.blogspot.com</a> or email me at rcushing(at)ceoexpress(dot)com for more.</p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Eli Sopow</title>
		<link>http://forprogressnotgrowth.com/2009/11/21/hey-einstein-solve-this/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Eli Sopow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Super excellent post! The sad thing is that many MBA schools and business practices today are still held hostage by Cartestian-Newtonian thinking that also reared its ugly head within Fredrick Taylor&#039;s 1912 Scientific Management. Taylor literally thought employees were inert and interchangeable cogs on a wheel and that any display of emotions was anathema to productivity. That kind of linear, reductionist and mechanistic thinking is still behind much of what ails today&#039;s corporate and government &quot;leadership.&quot;

The good news is that smart and creative organizations today understand the lessons of complexity science which teach us that organizations are humanistic not mechanistic, that they operate through networks not silos, and that change is a constant which requires nurturing and development not &quot;management&quot; or containment. My favorite example is from US Marine Corps Training Manual MCDP6, Command and Control, which states:

&quot;Like a living organism, a military organization is never in a state of stable equilibrium but is instead in a continuous state of flux continuously adjusting to its surroundings. Command and control is not so much a matter of one part of the organization getting control over another as it is something that connects all the elements together in a cooperate effort.&quot;

Well said! And a lesson to corporate and government leaders still trapped in a systems version of Stockholm Syndrome, acting a lot like their philosophical captors Taylor, Descartes, and Newton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Super excellent post! The sad thing is that many MBA schools and business practices today are still held hostage by Cartestian-Newtonian thinking that also reared its ugly head within Fredrick Taylor&#8217;s 1912 Scientific Management. Taylor literally thought employees were inert and interchangeable cogs on a wheel and that any display of emotions was anathema to productivity. That kind of linear, reductionist and mechanistic thinking is still behind much of what ails today&#8217;s corporate and government &#8220;leadership.&#8221;</p>
<p>The good news is that smart and creative organizations today understand the lessons of complexity science which teach us that organizations are humanistic not mechanistic, that they operate through networks not silos, and that change is a constant which requires nurturing and development not &#8220;management&#8221; or containment. My favorite example is from US Marine Corps Training Manual MCDP6, Command and Control, which states:</p>
<p>&#8220;Like a living organism, a military organization is never in a state of stable equilibrium but is instead in a continuous state of flux continuously adjusting to its surroundings. Command and control is not so much a matter of one part of the organization getting control over another as it is something that connects all the elements together in a cooperate effort.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well said! And a lesson to corporate and government leaders still trapped in a systems version of Stockholm Syndrome, acting a lot like their philosophical captors Taylor, Descartes, and Newton.</p>
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		<title>By: TaxGuy</title>
		<link>http://forprogressnotgrowth.com/2009/11/21/hey-einstein-solve-this/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>TaxGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 22:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the real problem is the government.   The Congress is re-creating history by failing to learn its lessons and recreating the great depression.

If vouchers would create &quot;economic or competitive&quot; drive in  educators to improve schools, as it does in every other scenario, then lets give it a chance!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the real problem is the government.   The Congress is re-creating history by failing to learn its lessons and recreating the great depression.</p>
<p>If vouchers would create &#8220;economic or competitive&#8221; drive in  educators to improve schools, as it does in every other scenario, then lets give it a chance!</p>
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